Letter from the War Office providing dimensions of various European Frigates
Document 1794Dimensions of several European frigates - copied from a list in the possession of Thomas Penrose, Philadelphia.Penrose's list provided to the War Office by Robert Morris
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1 Transom . . . . . . . . . 100 at d° . . . 50
10 smaller D° . . . . 35. 350 at d° . . . 175
2 corner counter timbres . . . 25. 50 at d° . . . 25
6 middle D° . . . 20. 120 at d° . . . 60
12 half . . . D° . . . . . 8 96 at d° . . . 48
6 pieces for partners for masts 8. 48 at d° . . . 24 Dolls Ch.
Cubical feet 15924 or 398. [undecipherable] at [undecipherable] . 7962. —
500 knees for lower & gun deck of live oak at 4 Doll°/piece. 2000. —
130 d° for quarter deck & forecastle of D°. 2½ D°. 325. —
8 d° for Transoms . . . . 6 D°. 48). —
2 /d° for Standards . . . 5 D°. . . . 10. —
8 breast hooks . . . D°. 24 D°. . . . 192. —
50,000 locust trunnells . . . 20 pr Thou°. 1000. —
Dollars — 21.463. 65
War department
May 12. 1794
[Dimensions of several European frigates — copied from a list in the possession of Thomas Fitzsimons. Philadelphia]
Principal dimensions of several ships
Ships names | number of guns | length on the gun deck | length by the keel tonnage | breadth extreme | depth in hold | burthen in tons | when & where launched
Victory . . 100 | 186. 0 | 151. 2⅝ | 51. 10 | 21. 6 | 2162 23/34 | extreme length 223. 6
Ocean . . 90 | 176. 1¾ | 143. 2 | 49. 0¾ | 20. 11¾ | 1833 30/34 | April 21. 1761 Chatham Dock
Cambridge . 80 | 166. 0 | 139. 3 | 47. 0 | 20. 0 | 1636 7/4 | Deptford
Valliant . . 74 | 171. 2¾ | 139. 0 | 49. 4 | 21. 2¾ | 1799 31/34 | Aug. 1759 Chatham Dock
Centaur [?] . 74 | 175. 8 | 148. 2¾ | 47. 5 | 20. 0 | 1773 7/4 | France
Bellona . . 74 | . . . | . . . | | | . . . | Feb. 19. 1760. Chatham Dock
Panther . 60 | 154. 0 | 126. 0¾ | 43. 6 | 18. 11 | 1268 23/34 | June 1758 Chm [undecipherable]
Nassau . . 70 | 151. 0 | | 43. 5 | 17. 10 | 1224 |
Stafford . . 60 | 144. 0 | 116. 5¾ | 41. 6 | 16. 11 | 1067 7/34 | old built ?
Preston . 50 | 134. 0 | . . . | 38. 6 | 15. 9 | | Plymouth ?
Arcon Ciel . 50 | 146. 0 | 119. 3 | 41. 11 | 18. 4 | 1114 45/34 | France
Diamond . 40 | 124. 0 | | 35. 8 | 14. 6 | 682 26/34 |
Dolphin . . 24 | 113. 0 | 93. 0 | 32. 0 | 11. 0 | 508 27/34 | Woolwich ?
Garland . . 20 | 105. 7 | 85. 6 | 28. 8 | 9. 2 | 373 5/34 |
Hazard . | | 91. 0 | 74. 9 | 26. 0 | 12. 0 | 268 13/34 | Rotherhithe Buxton
a new frigate . 32 | 125. 0 | 103. 4 | 35. 2 | 12. 5 | 679 64/34 | Chatham
Druid . . 12. 14 | 89. 2 | 72. 11 | 23. 2 | 9. 5 | 208 2/34 | Harwich Barnard
Royal Carolina . . . | 89. 10 | 72. 7¾ | 24. 7 | 11. 0 | 232 20/34 | Jan 29. 1750 Deptford
Wolf Sloop . | 75. 6 | 62. 3 | 20. 7½ | 9. 4 | 140 17/34 | May 1754 Chm Harris
Terror Bomb . 2 mor | 90. 6 | 73. 9 | 26. 0 | 11. 0 | 265 7/4 | Limehouse Sadgrove
yacht . | 55. 4 | 44. 7 | 16. 5 | 7. 7 | 63 55/34 |
Pamella Sloop . | | 42. 7¾ | 17. 3 | | 67 45/34 |
Otter Sloop . 8 | 37. 6 | 73. 4 | 25. 0 | 6. 6 | 243 7/4 | Rotherhithe Buxton
Royal Escape Lighter . | 63. 2 | 44. 3 | 20. 0 | 8. 4 | 104 33/34 | Limehouse Carter
Indiaman . | | 106. 0 | 33. 8 | 14. 3 | 638 76/94 | Deptford Willis
Grasshopper Lugbat . | 38. 5 | 30. 0¾ | 12. 4 | 5. 8 | 24 25/34 |
Lighter Royal George . | | 31. 1½ | 17. 9 | 9. 3 | 63 7/34 | Rochester [undecipherable] Baker
Raven Sloop . 10 | 91. 0 | 74. 9 | 26. 0 | 12. 0 | 268 23/34 |
Ranger Sloop . | 75. 0 | 64. 3 | 20. 3 | 9. 10 | 140 3/34 |
King of Portugal Indiaman . | 79. 5 | 67. 0 | 23. 6 | 10. 2 | 196 7/99 |
Thunder Bomb . 2 Mor | 91. 6 | 74. 1½ | 27. 6 | 12. 1 | 298 3/32 | Chatham & Marlin
El Real . . 114 | 200. 0 | 169. 0 | 58. 8 | 26. 0 | 2588 | Spain
Royal George . 100 | 178. 0 | 143. 5½ | 51. 9¾ | 21. 6 | 2046 83/93 | [undecipherable] 24. 18. 1756 & Woolwich
Royal Sovereign . 100 | 175. 0 | | 50. 3 | 20. 1 | 1883 |
Royal William . 100 new 84 | 175. 0 | 142. 0 | 50. 0 | 20. 1 | 1888 |
Prince . . 90 | 168. 0 | | 48. 0 | 20. 2 | | Aug 8. 1750 Chatham by [undecipherable]
Namur . . 90 | 174. 11 | 142. 3 | 48. 7½ | 20. 6 | 1789 34/34 | Mar 3. 1756 Chatham by [undecipherable]
Union . . 90 | 171. 2 | 132. 3 | 48. 8 | 20. 6 | 1792 7/33 | Sept 26. 1756. [undecipherable] by [undecipherable]
Barfleur . . 90 | 164. 3 | | 48. 0 | | |
Sandwich . . 90 | | | | | |
Princess Amelia . 80 | 165. 0 | 134. 10½ | 47. 0 | 20. 0 | 1585 34/34 | Ap. 14. 1789 Chm by Lock
Burford . . 74 | 162. 0 | 134. 6 | 44. 8 | 19. 8 | 1426 97/34 | May 6. 1767 Chatm by Lock
Lenox . . 74 | 165. 5 | | 46. 7 | | | Feb. 25. 1758 Chatm by Lock
Vanguard . . 70 | 160. 0 | 131. 4 | 45. 0 | 19. 4 | 1414 56/34 | [undecipherable] of the Isle of Wight
Elizabethill . . 70 new 64 | 151. 0 | . . . | 43. 5 | 17. 9 | 1224 |
Princess Louisa . 60 | 147. 0 | 119. 9 | 32. 0 | 18. 1 | 1123 57/34 | Limehouse Harley[?]
Montague . . 64 | 157. 3 | 129. 5¾ | 42. 0 | 18. 6 | 1218 | Sheerness
Dunkirk . . 60 | 153. 6 | 127. 12 | 42. 5 | 18. 9 | 1234 24/34 | Woolwich
Peppon . . 64 | 155. 0 | 129. 0 | 42. 5 | 18. 7 | 1246 42/34 | D°
Centurion . 60 new 54 | 144. 1½ | 117. 4½ | 40. 0 | 16. 5 | 1006 34/34 | Jan. 6. 1733 Plymouth
Nottingham . 60 | 144. 0 | | 41. 8 | 16. 11 | 1055 34/34 |
Tyger . . 60 new 50 | 140. 2 | | 40. 2 | 17. 2 | 975 77/34 | Dec 22. 1743 Harwick
Portland . . 50 | 140. 3 | 113. 9 | 40. 0 | 17. 2½ | 968 34/34 | Limehouse Sadgrove
Guernsey . . 50 | 134. 0 | | 38. 6 | 15. 9 | 853 | Breadth top — inter midship: 31. 6
Ludlow Castle . 44 | 126. 0 | 102. 0 | 36. 0 | 15. 5½ | 706 56/34 | Rotherhithe Taylor
Maidstone . . 28 | 118. 4 | 97. 3¾ | 33. 8 | 10. 6 | 587 20/34 | Rochester Seward
Tartar . . 28 | 117. 10 | 96. 8½ | 33. 8 | 10. 2 | 583 3/34 | Rotherhithe Randall
Cumberland . 66 | 158. 0 | | 45. 5 | 18. 7 | 1400 |
Sheerness . . 24 | 112. 0 | 91. 6 | 32. 0 | 11. 0 | 498 96/34 | Rotherhithe Buxton
Portsmouth Storeship . | 124. 0 | 100. 3 | 33. 8 | 14. 8 | 678 31/34 | [undecipherable] Southampton
Plymouth Transport . | 77. 0 | 63. 4 | 22. 0 | 11. 0 | 453 3/34 | Bleeker Boreham
Dimensions of the Valliant and Achilles 1759 — 74
[Table: mast and yard measurements for Valliant and Achilles]
Mast (Long Yds in | Diameter Yds in) | Yards (Long Yds in | Diameter in) | Mast (Long Yds in | Diameter Yds in) | Yards (Long Yds in | Diameter in)
main mast . | 38. 16 | 38¾ | 33. 29 | 24 | 31. 30 | 31 5/6 | 28. 29 | 20 9/8
top mast . | 23. 30 | 21¼ | 23. 5 | 14¾ | 19. 4 | 17 ¾ | 20. 27 | 13¾
gallant mast . | 11. 28 | 11½ | 14. 0 | 8¼ | 9. 25 | 9 ¾ | 14. 11 | 8¾
fore mast . | 34. 0 | 34 | 29. 18 | 20 1/6 | 28. 24 | 28½ | 25. 13 | 18 6/8
topmast . | 21. 0 | 21¼ | 21. 13 | 13 1/6 | 17. 16 | 17¼ | 18. 4 | 11 7/8
gallent mast . | 10. 18 | 10¾ | 13. 0 | 8 | 8. 28 | 8¾ | 12. 18 | 7¾
mizen mast . | 32. 24 | 20¾ | 30. 35 | 16½ | 27. 14 | 18¾ | 23. 22 | 13½
top mast . | 17. 2 | 14¾ | 16. 20 | 9¾ | 13. 26 | 11¼ | 13. 25 | 8¼
Bowsprit . | 23. 5 | 36 | 21. 18 | 13¾ | 21. 18 | 20 7/8 | 18. 4 | 11 7/8
Jibsail topsailyard . | | | 14. 0 | 8¼ | | | 12. 18 | 7¼
fo Jack yard . | | | 22. 0 | 13 6/6 | | | 18. 4 | 11¼
Flying Jib Boom . | 15. 18 | 12½ | | | 14. 8 | 12¼ | |
1761 Ocean 90 guns Panther ? 60
main mast . | 37. 12 | 37¾ | 32. 12 | 22 3/8 | 32. 24 | 32 7/8 | 29. 8 | 20¾
top mast . | 32. 0 | 19¾ | 23. 6 | 14¾ | 19. 0 | 17 1/6 | 21. 6 | 13¾
allant mast . | 11. 0 | 11. 0 | 15. 18 | 4 2/3 | 9. 31 | 9¾ | 14. 6 | 8¾
fore mast . | 33. 18 | 33½ | 28. 0 | 20 | 26. 30 | 28¾ | 25. 6 | 17 11/8
top mast . | 19. 24 | 19¾ | 20. 6 | 12 7/8 | 17. 10 | 17¾ | 18. 18 | 11¼
allent mast . | 9. 18 | 9¼ | 13. 18 | 8¾ | 18. 32 | 8¾ | 12. 18 | 7¾
mizen mast . | 32. 3 | 22¾ | 27. 10 | 15 | 27. 28 | 18 1/8 | 25. 0 | 13
top mast . | 15. 30 | 13½ | 15. 20 | 9¾ | 13. 22 | 11¾ | 14. 6 | 8¾
bow sprit . | 23. 22 | 33¾ | 20. 6 | 12¾ | 20. 0 | 29¾ | 18. 18 | 11½
fo Jack yard . | | | 20. 6 | 12 7/8 | | | |
ying Jib Boom . | 16. 24 | 24¾ | 13. 18 | 8¾ | 14. 18 | 11¼ | |
The Panther cost £15. 9d per ton
Thunder Bomb 11. 10d per ton
Two ships are to be built of the following dimensions. The thirty two gun ships to be of the following dimensions —
The gun deck . . . . 132 feet 1 inch
keel . . . . 110 ft 10¾ in.
beam . . . . 34 ft 5½ in.
hold . . . . 11 ft.
above are the dimensions of the Arethusa King's Ship
The twenty eight gun ships to be the following dimensions
The gun deck . . . 124 ft 4 in.
keel . . . 104 ft 8¾ in. ⎫ The Vestal
beam . . . 33 ft 10¾ in. ⎬ King's Ship
hold . . . 10 ft 8 in. ⎭
The ships being of those dimensions, they are to be so constructed as to sail fast, hold a good wind, carry a taught sail, and draw as little water as these dimensions, and advantages will admit of.
One other to be the same dimensions of the Hero
The above was given to me by Mr Robert Morris intended for frigates that were to be built at Philadelphia
[John Wharton]
War department, May 12. 1794
Sir
Permit me to request the favor of your giving me your opinion on Mr Humphreys's model which you have seen, and upon the following points. Mr Humphreys's proportions are 147 feet keel — 43 feet beam — 14 feet hold — 7 feet between decks, and 7 feet waist, 3 feet dead rising at 2/3 the of the floor.
1. Whether long ships require their extreme breadth as far forward in proportion as shorter vessels — and
Type
Letterbook
Description
Dimensions of several European frigates - copied from a list in the possession of Thomas Penrose, Philadelphia.Penrose's list provided to the War Office by Robert Morris
Date
05/1794
Document number
1794059955256
Page start
27
Note
Penrose's list provided to the War Office by Robert Morris
Notable persons
Thomas Penrose
Joshua Humphreys
Henry Knox
Robert Morris
Notable locations
France
Britain
Philadelphia

