Knox discusses the French Carribean with Genet
Document 1793Document, describes Genet's request for arms and ammunition to defend Guadeloupe and Martinique. Document also contains an internal U.S. Government memorandum, dated 8 June 1793, concerning the staffing and vetting of the official opinions given to Genet in the letter of 7 June.
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Friday [June] 93
Mr Genet the french minister this day [undecipherable] sepa-
the interpreter, and after [strikethrough: [undecipherable]] [undecipherable]
uninterrupted conversation he observed that he had
just received some agreeable news from Guadaloupe
and Martinico — That Admiral Gard[ne]r
had made his appearance off Martinico
on the cancellation [of?] [undecipherable]
Nine artillerists had [undecipherable] effect —
that [a] good disposition existed to make
the best defense and that [they] [undecipherable] —
need of the means. That they [undecipherable]
muskets, cannon, and ammunition —
[That?] of the [M?] [undecipherable] [Arms?]
[Undecipherable] one of the present [affairs?]
the amount [would?] be [calculated?] —
The debt due France [undecipherable]
[undecipherable]
this country and therefore [he] [now?] put the commerce
with [the?] [Netherlands?] upon the [same?] footing as the
[H]otas on France delt
That [he?] [undecipherable] any oportune
we should afford in the present inflame[ment?]
he [would?] appoint it to ourselves.
That the US [would] not [be?] [un?]
[unjust?] that France had the right
to demand the guarantee of the[ir]
[Islands?] [but?] that the means [of?] [the?]
[Islands?] was only asked for the [troops?] —
and ammunition [for?] [their?] [impell?]
[provided?] as secretly as possible
To this [replied?] that upon —
our affairs was very depressed, [un?]formed
to [that?] the President had declared
[a?] [our?] [stance?] [undecipherable] and for whatever
[means?] could [be?] [devoted?] [for?] [efficiency?]
in order to [be?] [prompt?] [her?] [means?] where was
by no means improbable —
That if the case was otherwise
it would be doubtful whether they not there
[united?] [short?] of an act of the Legislature
[?] [would?] [restore?] a very [?] [many?]
[?] de[borne?]
That replies [?] [cannot?] decided
[?] 3 that [it?] [would?] say that the measure
that [in?] [?] [d?] [jury?] that the measure
would be considered contrary [undecipherable]
[?] the tone of [their?] [?] [?]
tranquility would scarcely be kept [in?]
[?] peace.
In [answers?] to those reasons
he [said?] that it to any deficiency
of peace, the granting of a [general?] [transport?] [undecipherable]
of muskets would not [more?] increase that
[defeat?]
and that we [strikethrough: [undecipherable]] [might?] [from?] make arrangements [with?] [which?]
[from?] [he?] [would?] manufacture [?] quantities
required.
That if the President had not
the requisite authority to prevent the
articles it must be inferred as
a good reason for the refusal.
— But as to the [bulletins?], he said
[not?] [co?] [?] that Mr Hammond was
[viewing?] in this country, and that
they [would?] not [?] right he [?] [undecipherable] open
at the [Americans?], as the British [government?]
[?]
have the last year [strikethrough: [undecipherable]] [sold?] [many?]
so [prominent?] [?] these national — that
if there was any objection to its public
this matter might be conducted secretly
[?] [shall?] [name?] to some [undecipherable]
as he —
[Page 6 — severely damaged; marginalia only:]
[undecipherable] —
7 June 1793 —
[undecipherable] in
[undecipherable]
[Secret Conversation with [undecipherable] 7 June 1793]
he added that he understood me hard
[?] before arms or fire —
He added that our refusal
would have been [?] [effect?] by [the?] British
and violently [unfulled?], and that
he did not see that we had any
cause to fear our own Shadow, he —
that he had [shewn?] [d?] [a?] [performance?]
of the plan of England, [?] [?] France
[?] [proportion?] that our [Ships?] would
be not bounded at [fear?] by the
English as [violation?] the [after?]
Manner.
These things were [discussed?]
by him, and the demand urged with
considerable [?] [undecipherable]
I finally told him, that —
from his manner of [his?] [much?] his
[address?] [?] would appear to be his
degree that [?] [?] mention the
— with the President of the US
He [told?] [was?] that was his object — the
thought that the color of a formula on
nature [the was?] here refuse lamentation
the [?] [?] specifically that no
unnecessary [?] might we mention in
cause of [?] [?] personal request, and so
the matter would be conveniently
[?] by [?] an official note
[?] [?] [?] [biela?] [?] [?] able
it might be [?] —
I promised [?] to [?] message to
the President and would endeavor to hold
know the result tomorrow —
[signature]
Saturday 8 June
Read to the President of the US
the before recorded conversation
in the presence [with?] [?] of the
hearing. The President [strikethrough: [undecipherable]]
[approved?] the reasons which had been
given to Mr [Genet?] — for not comply[ing?] [with his?]
particularly the 1st and 3d [?] [as?] [to?] [the?]
[with?] his request — and [at?] the [same?]
[he?] [directed?] me to conduct the[se?]
the Secretary of State however — [the?] [was?]
done, as of the particulars [for?] [find?] the —
request was [inadmissible?] for the reason
given — That he thought it was
[that?] the 3d reason to Mr
[Genet?], and to suppress it collaterally
with the 1st.
Type
Draft Document
Description
Document, describes Genet's request for arms and ammunition to defend Guadeloupe and Martinique. Document also contains an internal U.S. Government memorandum, dated 8 June 1793, concerning the staffing and vetting of the official opinions given to Genet in the letter of 7 June.
Date
06/07/1793
Author
Recipient
Repository
Collection
Document number
1793060700201
Page start
1
Note
documents are written in the hand of Knox
Notable persons
Genet
Henry Knox
Mr Genet
Admiral Gardner
President of the United States
Mr Hammond.
Notable locations
Guadeloupe
Martinice [ Martinique ]
France
Great Britain.
Notable items
the French minister called upon the subscriber and after some uninteresting conversation he observed that he had just received some agreeable news
Admiral Gardner had made his appearance off Martinique
a good disposition
stood in need of the items that they may act
muskets, cannon and ammunition
if the US would provide these articles out of the public arsenal, the amount
to reduce
the debt due France
puts the commerce with them upon the same footing as for France itself
any assistance we should afford in the present instance
offering it to ourselves
France had the right to demand our guarantee of these islands
supply of arms and ammunition
I replied that in fact our arsenals was very deficient
so much so that the President had directed me to look about
for replenishing
if the case was otherwise it would be doubted whether
short of an act of the legislature
public
means of defense
candor dictated that I should say that the measure would be considered
of Great Britain
in answer to these reasons he said that as to any deficiency of ours the granting of a few thousand of muskets would not much
that deficit and that we might soon make arrangements
to manufactory the quantity required
That if the President had not the actual authority to present the articles it might be considered as a good reason for the
but as to the British he did not consider that Mr. Hammond was a Viceroy in this country and that they had not any right to take any offense at the
matter might be considered purely as the sale made to some individual and he added that he understood we had 70000 arms in store
our vessels would soon be useless
violently insulted
did not see that we had any cause to fear our own shadow
he soon should send in preference of the plan of England to favor France in to subjection that our ships would be boarded at sea by the English and
these things were repeated
demand urged with considerable zeal
I finally told him that from his manner of his making his request it would appear to be his design that I should mention to the President of the US
his object he thought that in cases of a similar nature it was helpful to mention the business informally
then an official note might be presented
I promised to state the request to the President and would endeavor to let him know the result tomorrow.

